We all have skills. We all have passions. Marrying them can be tricky. Combine that with the season of motherhood and it might seem impossible. Liz Navarro is here to share how she has successfully made her skills work for her in this season of life.
What if you took a few of the skills that you were really good at and made them work for you no matter the stage of life? That is exactly what Liz Navarro has done. Liz is a mom, writer, blogger, Tedx speaker, professor, content creator, and more. She has taken the skills she has mastered over the years and combined them with her love of writing and launched a new venture in the season of mothering young children.
A few of my favorite take aways from our conversation include:
– It is totally possible to make the skills you have work for you no matter your season of life
– It is “hard to read the label from inside the bottle.” Gaining perspective is crucial
- There is room for everyone’s voice, just make sure you speak with authenticity
Liz inspires us to think inside the box we already have. You might have to punch up an area here or there, but there is a good chance you already have everything you need inside you. You might just need to take a different look at the puzzle.
Welcome: Welcome to “How She Got Here – Conversations with Everyday Extraordinary Women.” It is my belief that every woman has something inside her only she can do. The more we share the stories of other women, who have already discovered their thing, the more it inspires, encourages, and empowers other women to do the same.
Intro: Hey Pod Sisters, I’m so excited to share my guest with you today. My friend, Liz Navarro was on the show a little bit ago to share her experience from the Dallas Women’s March. Today, I’m excited to have her back to share a little about her work as a writer and content creator. We talk a lot about what it’s like being a professional writer, figuring out how to do what you love for a living, and why there’s room for everyone at the table to share their voice; hint, because no one else can share it exactly the way you do. So without further ado, here’s Liz.
Susan: Well, hey, Liz, thank you so much for agreeing to join me today, you are my first repeat guest, because you were so kind to share your experience with the Women’s March back in March. Was it was in March? No, it was January, it was January. Yeah, it was January. But anyway, you came on to chat with us today about what you actually do for a living. And for my audience out there, Liz and I collaborate together on a regular basis. But I wanted you to come on today and kind of share your experience of writing and writing as a professional. Yeah, so I’m just going to let you take it away.
Liz Navarro: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for having me back. It’s fun to be back here and talking about another subject that I really like. So as you mentioned before, I have a communications business for women and entrepreneurs or professional women and entrepreneurs, and I help them create a lot of content. So basically, what I would say that I do is I help people put their dreams and their goals and their ideas into words. And then I help them to put that in front of the right audience. And that is something that we’ve collaborated on in the past. But I do that through a couple of different avenues. One is that I write copy and I take on clients who are often entrepreneurs who have to create a lot of content, maybe someone who has a podcast or somebody who has a website where they publish articles very often, or somebody who writes email marketing campaigns to send to their audience frequently. And I help take on a little bit of that content and write it for them in their voice for their brand and really help to develop that out. Because it is such a time consuming task to be a content creator and have to be constantly coming up with these ideas and articulating them.
So that’s something that I do. And then I also am an educator. I teach public speaking. And I also teach content creation and message creation to professionals and to undergraduates at SMU here in Dallas. And so under the entire umbrella of my business, basically, what I’m doing is creating these messages based on other people’s goals and their ideas and in their voices, and I’m helping them create that and send it to the people that really need to hear them.
Susan: And I really admire how you’re able to use other people’s voices. When I see something you’ve written for me, I’m like,”Wow, that actually sounds like I wrote that.” I didn’t put this in our list of questions, but how are you able to accomplish that?
Liz Navarro: You know, honestly it’s like playing dress up a little bit. It’s like dressing in different people’s outfits or putting on a different outfit and writing in the voice that that person sounds like. And it’s something that I feel like I’m able to do, but only when that person or that client, someone like you, really has honed in on what their voice is already like. So because you have a specific way that you write and that you speak and that you come across in your podcast, I can capture that and I can imitate it. I can identify different phrases that you use frequently or I can identify how you greet people, how you open up how you close, and I can use those patterns in writing. And I can do that same thing for other clients, as long as they’ve kind of started to hone in on what their voice sounds like, too. And if they haven’t yet, it’s something that we work on together. How do you create a voice that sounds personal? How do you write in the same way that you speak so that when you’re talking to your ideal audience or to your client, they feel like they’re talking to a person and not to an abstract organization or something that feels kind of cold and more distant?
And so it’s fun for me because I do get to take on different personality sometimes and write in different ways. And when I write my own content, I feel like I like to take on my own voice too. And so it keeps me from getting bored in my own writing because it’s like I get to have multiple personalities to play with.
Susan: And multiple personalities in a good way.
Liz Navarro: Yes.
Susan: That’s really funny.
Liz Navarro: In a good way, yeah. It’s kind of like juggling a lot of different concepts in my head at one time. But I think people who are writers, or anyone who writes creatively, kind of knows how it feels like if you’re writing for different characters, if you’re writing fiction, you have to make them sound a certain way. And to me, it all comes back to really just capturing some of the simple things, imagining what would someone say if they were here? How would they say hello? How would they want to greet their audience? What is the catchphrase that they use frequently? And just trying to incorporate that into your writing?
Susan: Well, what you do for a living sounds really fun. And I’m wondering—and I’m not kidding, not everybody can do it. I certainly cannot. And I wonder if you could share with our audience, how you came full circle with making this happen for a career? What was your life like before? What was your past life like? When did you start writing? Could you share a little bit about that with us?
Liz Navarro: Yes. How long do you have? No. I will give you the summarized version. And you’ve probably heard some of this before, Susan. But as far as writing goes, it’s something that I’ve always liked to do, even I mean, when I was really young and elementary school, it’s something that I felt like I was good at. And that serves me really well all the way through school because half the time when you’re a student, that’s how you’re evaluated. It’s how well are you able to communicate your ideas? And so I felt like I could thrive in that.
But I really didn’t pursue writing as a profession at the beginning of my career, so I studied communications instead. And I studied things like advertising and marketing, which I use a lot now. And I went to school at Pepperdine in Malibu, California. So that was really fun. And since it’s near Los Angeles, a lot of the communications jobs are in media type of communication, which is just fun when you’re young and you’re from Idaho, which is where I’m from, which is not the heart of media, or TV or celebrities. And so I studied communications, and I worked for Bone Appetit magazine, but I wasn’t a writer there. I loved the idea of being a writer, but I was working in their ad sales office. And it was fun and it was a great entry-level job. But it wasn’t ultimately really fulfilling what I wanted to do. So I went back to school, and I studied education, which seems like a departure a little bit from what I was doing. But I wanted to teach English and wanted to teach other people how to write and how to read. And it was something that I always, that would just be a really fun, I guess skill to have.
And so I taught English for a couple of years in Los Angeles, in urban schools. And that part of my career taught me so much, it really taught me to be a teacher, it taught me ultimately something that I do every day, which is anytime you’re going to show up in front of a classroom or in front of an audience or in front of people through writing, you need to have a clear objective of what they need to walk away with that day, and then you need to step by step, get them there. And now that I’m working with clients, and I’m helping them write speeches, and I’m helping them write podcast episodes, or just website material, that concept really drives me. I always ask my clients, what do you want your audience to get from this? What do you want them to know? What do you want them to feel? What do you want them to be able to do? And I learned all of that through teaching English.
And so ultimately, after I taught for a couple of years, I started teaching at the college level. And I was teaching public speaking and communications, which is something that I continue to do now. And my husband and I have since moved to Dallas. And since moving here, I have kept little bits and pieces of all of those parts of my career. And I’ve cobbled them together into the business that I have now. So I do write for people, for clients, I write articles for publications, I teach as an educator, and I just use all those skills that I picked up along the way. It’s something that I say a lot, because I did pivot so often in my early career, even though everything was really tied to this ability to want to communicate really clearly and to help people say their ideas in the best way possible. But at the time, it didn’t feel like all of those pivots were on purpose. And just now am I getting to a point where in my own business, I can make it seem like I was doing all of those things on purpose.
So it’s been really nice to get to this other side of exploration and take everything that I learned and to really intentionally use it in my own business. So that’s where I am now.
Susan:That is really cool. And it’s really interesting how everything really just came full circle for you. That’s really inspiring to me. I think that’ll resonate a lot with our audience just because, you know, I remember growing up, it was one of those things, you go to college, you get come out, you get a job. And then, at least from my parents generation, and maybe even the generation before, you stayed with that one company your entire life, you know, you retired there, there was a chance of a pension there. And the world really does not work like that anymore. And I kind of feel like where we’re at in life, we might have been this first, maybe the second group wave of people in life who really have to do those pivots in order to figure out where your career is going to go. So I really appreciate you sharing that, and that they weren’t all on purpose, even though looking back, it looks like they were.
Liz Navarro: Yeah, like I work with a lot…Because I teach undergrads who are just about to graduate, and they are making these major decisions in their life that they feel so much pressure to know what their 10 year, 20 year, 50 year plan is for their career. And I felt an immense amount of pressure upon graduating as well. And something that’s been nice for me to know that I only know in hindsight and with time is that no matter where you change your mind, you’re always moving forward, you know, once you get to a certain place, every one of those steps you can bring together. And so for me, I didn’t know exactly what I wanted my career to look like. But I knew the types of things that I like to do. And something that I always like to do was writing and communicating and educating. And so those are themes that have served me in my career, even though they’ve looked really different at different seasons in my life.
And you’ll relate to this to Susan, because I know you are a mom as well. And this business has kind of been the one that grew out of my season of having young children because I have two daughters; they’re two and a half and almost six months old. And so my business that I have now started as part time projects that I was doing, in addition to staying home with my oldest daughter, and I do it full time now. But it’s kind of something that wasn’t—it feels intentional, but it was also just born out of the season of life that I’m in and using the skills that I have, and networking and making strong connections. And I think one of the coolest things about the time that we live in is that we have so much access to opportunities. I can have a business. And I can run it mostly from my house and going to meetings and meeting people in coffee shops, or I can meet clients virtually. And because of that, I think we do have a lot of flexibility in what we choose to do in our careers. And as someone who does change her mind often, I do appreciate living in a time where I feel like I can be flexible and I feel like I can change and grow what I’m doing as long as I really hone in on a couple of consistent skills that I’m using throughout my career.
Susan: Well, you kind of answered my next question for me.
Liz Navarro: Sorry.
Susan: No, no, I think that’s great. I appreciate your realness of it. I was going to ask you, you know, what is your day-to-day like because I think the Instagram that we see of writers that we all know and love. And I’ve got a few in my head that I’m thinking about are posting these wonderful pictures of themselves sitting on a patio with a warm cup of coffee, and the ocean is in front of them or a lake is in front of them. And they’re just sitting there contemplating life and writing their stories. And that’s just not reality, huh?
Liz Navarro: That sounds so nice. Well, we do live in Texas. So the ocean is much farther away than it used to be when I lived in Los Angeles. But no, my day to day looks really different. I am being the…I’m such a stereotype right now, I’m in yoga pants, and I have a topknot and I’m at my house while we do this interview. So that’s the glamour of what my day looks like. But I think we were talking about this earlier, Susan, but there is this idea of this concept of being a writer that I think all of us have ingrained in ourselves that it’s someone who goes somewhere very serene, and they think and they come up with this masterpiece, and then they submit their novel or their long editorial piece to a publication and they publish it. And I thought about, I think because I had that concept of being a writer throughout my life, that’s the only reason I didn’t pursue being a professional writer from the get go. Because that, I’m a little bit risk averse, and that seems really intimidating. And it seems really hard to make it that way, you know, to be a best selling writer or a New York Times columnist, it seems so competitive and like so much pressure. And I didn’t pursue that career.
And so what my life as I could say, now that I’m a professional writer, because people hire me to write for them, it’s a major— it’s probably 80% of what my business is. Now that we live in a place where or in an era where people are constantly needing to create content, to market themselves and to grow an audience and to really, truly connect with people because people are connecting to not advertisements anymore, but content that serves them in some way in their life. And in order to create that someone has to be writing it. And because we live in that era, I have realized that you don’t have to be the writer that goes and sit. I mean, it would be lovely to go and sit in my ocean house and write all by myself. That sounds like a fantastic vacation I should take right now.
Susan: Yes, I’m going with you.
Liz Navarro: Yeah, let’s go. I think we need that break. But you know, you can be a writer, if you network with people, and you meet entrepreneurs, or you meet content creators, or you meet someone who has a blog, or has a website or sends a newsletter. Behind all of those people is someone writing content, and it’s probably someone who looks and feels very tired. And so if you are someone who feels like you’re good at writing, if you write quickly, if you can adopt other people’s voices and personas, if you are an English teacher at heart, and you understand the ins and outs of grammar and how to connect people, you can make money as a writer from your house just meeting these different contacts, working with them online or via email or on phone calls, and helping them generate and create content. And a lot of my days, that’s what it looks like. It’s either a day where I am at home working and writing either for myself or other people, or putting together a script for a podcast episode or helping somebody developed exactly what kind of copy should go on their homepage. Or sometimes at the meeting in person where we go and we meet and we talk about strategy, and it’s in a coffee shop somewhere. Or sometimes my day is in a classroom where I’m teaching people these concepts that I’m doing every day in my professional life.
And so it looks a little bit different each day. I loved having that kind of variety and flexibility. I talked about changing my mind a lot. So I think it keeps me grounded to have my days look a little bit different every single day and every single week. But that’s kind of what it looks like from here. It’s a lot of me doing it from home. It’s a mix of working by myself and working with other people, which also balances me really well. I’m kind of an introvert/extrovert so I need both. And so yeah, that’s a little bit of what my day and my week looks like.
Susan: For those of my listeners who are regular content creators, well, and maybe even for those who aren’t who have no idea what a day in the life of a content creator looks like, would you give us a peek into your idea or your brainstorm process of where you kind of start with a project and then how you get from point A to point B?
Liz Navarro: Yeah, so that word content creators thrown around a lot. Content creators are bloggers, podcasters YouTubers, people who have a website, people who write articles, even people who just show up frequently on social media platforms, anybody whose business grows, because they are consistently producing some piece of content, whether it’s just a little caption or a full article that is reaching out to their audience. And so that’s what a content creator is. And if I am working with somebody like that, my brainstorm process, typically starts, in the best case scenario, with really, I go behind the scenes. And so for you, Susan, for example, I would go listen to a lot of your podcast episodes, I would read through everything on your website, I would figure out as much as I can about you to understand what is your brand? Who are you? What are the different quirks about your personality that make you different than other podcasters who are reaching women? And then I would ask you a lot of questions, I would ask you something like, who is your ideal audience that you’re trying to reach? And what do you offer her? And what are the things during her day that are hard for her? What are her pain points? What are the things that she wishes she had a great solution or a great answer for? How does she feel? Who wants to talk to her?
And so it’s a lot of question and answer. And I would do that with really in content creator, from somebody who’s writing financial content, to somebody who’s a realtor selling real estate, to a podcaster, to an executive coach really getting behind the psychology of who they’re talking to first, and then how they want to talk to them. And then we would start to really answer the specific questions about, okay, now that we know that ideal audience, where do they show up? Are they on Instagram? Are they in email? Are they on LinkedIn? How can you show up there and start offering them something that serves them, something that is solving their problems, or giving them information that they really want, or making their life a little bit easier, or happier or brighter. And so we create an entire strategy around that. And then with most of my clients, we start to divide and conquer; I take on some of it, and they take on some of it and we start to kind of write and create this content that’s going to really reach their audience and hopefully help grow their audience in the process.
Susan: And I really appreciate the collaboration piece, that has been something that’s very, very helpful for me. One of the things that we talk about a lot is why it is so hard for us to write for ourselves versus other people? And I think I’ve even told you before, I could sit here and write something like a blurb about you, no problem, lickety split. But sometimes sitting down and writing about ourselves is difficult. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on that?
Liz Navarro: Yeah, absolutely. I think that every single person that I work with has that sentiment, maybe there’s an exception, but even I have that sentiment, and I write for a lot of people. But it takes me way longer to write a blog post for my own website than it takes me to write a podcast episode for someone else’s podcast. And I think…I mean, this is just a hypothesis. I’m not sure of the psychology behind it, but we are so in it with our own thoughts. We can’t navigate through them easily because there’s so many details and minutiae, and every little moment of our life is in the background informing the thing that we’re thinking and creating. And if somebody from an outside perspective comes in, they don’t have all that clutter. So if I’m going to write a podcast episode for someone else, I can just say, what’s this thing about? And what is your voice? And what are the four main points that you want it to communicate? And I can write that out really simply because I’m not lost trying to navigate through all of that, I don’t know, those background ideas and concepts. And I think that’s why so often, people do want to outsource copywriting. That’s why I’m in business, because it’s hard to write for yourself, even if you’re a good writer. And it’s hard to write for yourself often because I don’t know if you feel this way, Susan…Actually, I know you do feel this way because we work together. But if you write a lot of content for yourself, like you generate podcast episodes every other week, and you send emails and you write social media captions, it feels like you’ve said everything that there is to say, it just feels like you’ve already written those ideas. And so for someone else to come in, they can put a fresh spin on the same thing, because ultimately, our messages do repeat the same themes very frequently. That’s why our audiences come back to us because they want that consistent branded theme that you offer all the time. But if you’re on the other end, it feels like you’ve said everything and that you’re tired of it, and you kind of run out of creative ways to say it.
And so that’s honestly, like I said, why I’m in business, because it helps to get an outside perspective. I listen to a lot of podcasts on business and writing and even, you know, our thoughts and things like that. And somebody said, “It’s hard to read the label from inside the bottle.” And I think about that a lot as my role as a copywriter. I’m on the outside, I can read your label for you and I can quickly turn that around. And that’s really helpful to a lot of the people that I work with.
Susan: I really liked that, quote, “it’s hard to read the label from inside the bottle.”
Liz Navarro: I wish I knew who said it, maybe we can look it up.
Susan: I will look that up. That is good stuff.
Liz Navarro: We just get so stuck in our own head sometime.
Susan: Well, one thing I want to ask you—and I really want to ask you, because before I started this podcast, I really wish I had had somebody ask it for me before this platform ever existed. And that’s if you were thinking about hiring a content creator, and maybe even when you’re thinking about taking on a client, what are some of the questions you would want to ask them and why?
Liz Navarro: Yeah, so if you are thinking of hiring a content creator, and that could be a writer for you or it could be, I would consider a graphic designer, someone who’s going to produce a video for you, it doesn’t really matter what medium, but they’re going to make you something that will be a part of your brand. I think that before you do that as a brand, and this is something you’re good at Susan, you, yourself need to have a clear idea or a little bit of an idea of what kind of brand you offer first. To me, as someone who writes for other people. I’ve run into this a couple of times where somebody wants me to be able to articulate really what they do and who they’re talking to. But it’s really difficult, I found, for me to be able to come up with the magical words and phrases that communicate that if they don’t know what they do, or who they’re speaking to.
And I do think with every brand those concepts will, they’ll evolve as your brand grows. So maybe what you do now is it what you’re going to do next year, and maybe your audience will change a little bit or the style of your content will change a little bit. But at the very least, I like to work with clients like you who have a pretty clear idea of what they want to create first, because I can’t create them content that’s on their brand if they haven’t established that. Does that make sense?
And so earlier, when I talked about asking people a lot of questions when I first start working with them, the types of questions that I come in and ask are really about who do you want to be speaking to? And what are the problems that you’re going to solve for them? And how are you going to solve those problems a little bit differently than somebody else is going to solve those problems. And so when I write those are some concepts that I think of. If someone were communicating a video or creating a logo for you, or designing a website for you, I still think they would want to know, like, who’s going to visit this website? What does that person like to do? What do they like to think about? Why are they visiting the website in the first place? And it’s going to help them create something that feels more authentic for you, I think. So that’s been my experience.
Susan: I think that’s a fair statement. I think one of the things that really made me realize that we would work well together as we actually had the opportunity to meet randomly outside business at all in a social setting, and I could tell just by the rapport that we had with each other, you know, we were just able to have a conversation that I was like, “Okay, this is worth giving this a shot, because I can just talk to this person.” And I think so oftentimes, you know, you’re starting a business, and you get these references, and you just think, “oh, I’ll call this person and they can do it,” you know, or, “this person recommended somebody, and I’ll just use you they used.” And it just doesn’t—personalities just don’t always mesh well together. And I think I had that problem. When I first launched, I had hired somebody to help me, you know, write some copy for the website, just because it was so much to take on. And I really just couldn’t do it all myself. And we just didn’t click and I could tell from the beginning. And we just kept trying. And we kept trying. And we kept trying. And finally I was like, “You know, look, I really appreciate your help. I really appreciate what you’re trying to do but I just don’t think we’re a good fit.” And I think finding fit is so important.
Liz Navarro: I think you’re so right. And I think that’s also something I’ve learned because just like I would ask my, you know, clients to know their audiences really well. I personally, as my business has grown, I have learned who I work with the best. And you’re not going to be surprised. I like to work with women, I like to work with women who have a message that I think is somehow empowering or resonating or helpful to other women. And so there are certain things that I as a content creator need to know about myself too, you know, so not all of the responsibility is on the other party on whether or not it works. That chemistry between you and whomever is going to be on your team is really important. And I think in my longest lasting client relationships, the main thing that’s been there is just something that is kind of intangible, but would you want to go hang out with this person outside of work? Would you want to go and get a cup of coffee with them? Because honestly, like Susan, if I were, and we have, to go out and get a cup of coffee with you, and I spend an hour talking to you, that’s going to make me a better copywriter for you because I get to hear your ideas, and I get to hear you speak, and I get to understand a little bit more about what makes you tick. And so I’m going to create better content for you because I know you and it. I mean, it doesn’t always work so well in every sort of client relationship. But I think ultimately, in a perfect world, you do want to find people that have that energy and that chemistry with you.
Susan: Well said, well said. One thing… Well, I’ll ask you this question first. What is the one thing you think everyone should know about being a writer or content creator for a living?
Liz Navarro: There are so many, I guess, I’m having a hard time boiling it down to one thing. I think a message that has I that’s been really important with me to communicate lately, because a lot of people, maybe people that I went to college with, and we had similar majors or people who are in the same season of life as I am: new Parenthood, or people who want to change career direction, but they don’t really know how I something that a lot of people ask me, well, how can I make money as a writer or a content creator? I’m a good writer; I don’t know how to make money as one. So for me, I think one thing that I would want everyone to know is that like, if you want to do that in your career, you absolutely can. I think a lot of people’s concern in creating content, let’s say somebody wants to create a podcast or start a blog or a website, a lot of people say, well, somebody’s already done it, like somebody already has the exact podcasts that I would want to have so there’s no more room, there’s no need for people to listen to me. I don’t have anything new to say, I don’t have anything interesting to say.” And I really like to challenge that with all of my clients. I think everybody’s story and background and perspective and goal and vision is different. And if you can get really clear on what yours is, and you can communicate it really well, then there is a space for you to exist and to create content. And people will want to consume the content that you create, because it’ll just be different.
And so I think that’s what I would want people to know that there is room for everybody. And as long as they find ways to make their content really true to themselves and not totally replicate what other people are doing but to really find how to tell their own story and their own unique way, then there’s a space for them, and they can do it and they can monetize it. I really do believe that. It’s not always easy. It’s not always easy to figure it out and grow it and to experiment with it. And it takes a lot of time and a lot of creativity. But I really think it’s possible.
Susan: That was so well said. Oh my gosh! I’m over here going, “Yay. Are you kidding me?” I’m so glad. I’m really, really so glad you said that. That just made me. I mean, you should see the smile on my face right now. Because you are absolutely right. Yes, it’s exactly what this podcast is all about. You find your thing and you go do it and you don’t worry about it. There are other people in the space doing it because if it’s that heavy in your gut or in your heart or in your soul or in your brain or however you want to put it, then it’s something you’re supposed to be doing. So you better figure out a way to do it.
Liz Navarro: Yeah, absolutely.
Susan: Oh, I love that. I love that you said it that way. You see, you’re so good with words. It’s a good thing you write for a living.
Liz Navarro: Oh, thank you.
Susan: Before I ask you where we can find you on social media, I thought of another question that I didn’t write down but who are some of your favorite writers?
Liz Navarro: Oh, okay. Immediately, Shonda Rhimes jumped into my head.
Liz Navarro: I love Shonda Rhimes so much. And if anybody isn’t familiar with her, she is the writer, producer, creator of Scandal and Grey’s Anatomy and How to Get Away with Murder and a lot of other really fantastic TV shows. And she also has a speech online and I show it in every public speaking class that I ever teach. And it from a True Hollywood Access, she got an award and called the Sherry Lansing something award and she gives an acceptance speech about breaking through the glass ceiling, and it is my favorite speech. And so she’s someone who has a command of words, but who also doesn’t apologize for it. And she creates these really strong women characters who just make me want to stand up and cheer at my TV. So she’s probably someone that I really love as a writer. And I like that she writes in a lot of different mediums, she gives speeches, she creates TV shows, that’s the beauty of, like I said, being alive today, you don’t have to just write an article that’s going to be published in the newspaper or a magazine. There are so many ways to tell stories. So she’s one. And I can probably give you so many more, as you know, I taught high school English for two years, because I love the classics. My second daughter, Phoebe’s middle name is Scout because I love To Kill a Mockingbird. So I love so much classic literature. But I also just love anyone who can write a lead female character who is strong, and unapologetic, and smart in going after what she wants. That’s typically what I want to read every day.
Susan: Well, you know, this audience, and even if it’s just an audience of one is here for all of that.
Liz Navarro: I know.
Susan: Every day.
Liz Navarro: We have that chemistry we talked about.
Susan: You just keep preaching. Okay, so I want to be respectful of your time. I have had so much fun having you on today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming to hang out with me
Liz Navarro: Thank you, yes.
Susan: Before we let you go, though, where can we find you online, on social? Where are you at? Where do you hang out?
Liz Navarro: Well, I have a website. And you can find that at Liznavarroco.com. Navarro is spelled N-A-V-A-R-R-O. And so that’s my primary website for my business. I write a blog there, too. And I talk about parenting, being an entrepreneur. I talk about writing for a living, public speaking, I have a lot of cool resources that are there, I have a quiz on my website. So if you’re trying to find your voice, and you want to know what voice style you have, you can take my website quiz. It’s kind of just a fun little tool. So that’s the first place. And then I would say my favorite social network is Instagram. And you can find me @lizrosenavarro for my Instagram. I’m also on Facebook and LinkedIn as Liz Navarro. So I’ve got a presence pretty much everywhere.
Susan: Sweet. And we I will make sure to go and link that on all of our stuff on our website. So if don’t like try to pull over, like crash your car, if you’re listening to this in the car. I will make sure just head on over to the website and I will link it all there.
Well, Liz, thank you so much for coming on today. It was so fun to chat with you. I guess we jump off this call and you know, chat about more content if you want. But I will chat with you soon, friend, I really appreciate you being here.
Liz Navarro:Yeah, of course. Thank you so much. This was really fun.
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